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		<title>By: BayGooner</title>
		<link>http://www.stonecoldarsenal.com/2010/03/the-miseducation-of-football-punditry/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>BayGooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius,

Love your blog -- found it through Yogi, who proved once again why he is smarter than the average blogger.

You are so right about Chelsea and City.  However, you do not go far enough.  Equally important, it seems to me, are having a good manager, and having one with continuity.  Look at Chelsea -- this team hasn&#039;t won either of the main competitions since Jose left, and how many managers have they had?  Murinho, Hiddink and Capello at Real show that without the right manager, a blank-check approach simply does not work.  Hughes showed his limits, too.  And now, Roman may be thinking that his second manager was the second-best manager he&#039;s had, and he shouldn&#039;t have thrown him out.  Big player egos -- and a team full of superstars has that -- require a special manager: not just anyone can do it.  

The flip side is the idea that Wenger doesn&#039;t buy -- Look at the current squad -- TV, Nasri, Sagna, Rosicky, Eduardo, Arshavin, Gallas -- without the players acquired as teenagers who are growing up with the squad, this is not a shabby list of top acquisitions, and not one many managers could match.

I think part of the problem with pundits today is the 24x7 instant analysis requirement of the internet age.  Even were they inclined to do so, when would they have a chance to reflect on matters, rather than just repeat the first -- often erroneous -- thing that popped into their heads.

However, you should not be surprised at the pundits, especially the ex-players.  Many of them were instinctive players, especially those who were great.  They did it, without thinking.  And that frames their entire approach to the game, as well as their mistrust of managers who do think, or use statistics to elicit meaningful distinctions between players, etc.  

Thank you for your fine work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius,</p>
<p>Love your blog &#8212; found it through Yogi, who proved once again why he is smarter than the average blogger.</p>
<p>You are so right about Chelsea and City.  However, you do not go far enough.  Equally important, it seems to me, are having a good manager, and having one with continuity.  Look at Chelsea &#8212; this team hasn&#8217;t won either of the main competitions since Jose left, and how many managers have they had?  Murinho, Hiddink and Capello at Real show that without the right manager, a blank-check approach simply does not work.  Hughes showed his limits, too.  And now, Roman may be thinking that his second manager was the second-best manager he&#8217;s had, and he shouldn&#8217;t have thrown him out.  Big player egos &#8212; and a team full of superstars has that &#8212; require a special manager: not just anyone can do it.  </p>
<p>The flip side is the idea that Wenger doesn&#8217;t buy &#8212; Look at the current squad &#8212; TV, Nasri, Sagna, Rosicky, Eduardo, Arshavin, Gallas &#8212; without the players acquired as teenagers who are growing up with the squad, this is not a shabby list of top acquisitions, and not one many managers could match.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem with pundits today is the 24&#215;7 instant analysis requirement of the internet age.  Even were they inclined to do so, when would they have a chance to reflect on matters, rather than just repeat the first &#8212; often erroneous &#8212; thing that popped into their heads.</p>
<p>However, you should not be surprised at the pundits, especially the ex-players.  Many of them were instinctive players, especially those who were great.  They did it, without thinking.  And that frames their entire approach to the game, as well as their mistrust of managers who do think, or use statistics to elicit meaningful distinctions between players, etc.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your fine work.</p>
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		<title>By: steww</title>
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		<dc:creator>steww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb Darius. How can the lack of a few trophies mean failure when true competition went out the window as soon as those trophies started to be bought? Apart from two teams every single side in the land would swap places with us so how has Arsene failed? 
Of course we want to win things but I love watching the way we play, I love supporting an ethical club and competing at the top every single season no matter how much the rest spend. That in itself is success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb Darius. How can the lack of a few trophies mean failure when true competition went out the window as soon as those trophies started to be bought? Apart from two teams every single side in the land would swap places with us so how has Arsene failed?<br />
Of course we want to win things but I love watching the way we play, I love supporting an ethical club and competing at the top every single season no matter how much the rest spend. That in itself is success.</p>
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		<title>By: Consolsbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consolsbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. Now Ol&#039; Red Nose wants unemployed managers to form the FA disciplinary panel because of their knowledge of the game and understanding of serious foul play.

Step forward Phil Brown. Other recently unemployed managers include that old footballing maestro, Fat Sam.

You couldn&#039;t make it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. Now Ol&#8217; Red Nose wants unemployed managers to form the FA disciplinary panel because of their knowledge of the game and understanding of serious foul play.</p>
<p>Step forward Phil Brown. Other recently unemployed managers include that old footballing maestro, Fat Sam.</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t make it up.</p>
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		<title>By: LRV</title>
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		<dc:creator>LRV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post as usual, Darius. The comments have also been top notch, leaving not much to add. I believe you know my views on the iZombies. I needn&#039;t repeat them.

Even if they are sent for trainning they are probably too thick-skulled to learn anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post as usual, Darius. The comments have also been top notch, leaving not much to add. I believe you know my views on the iZombies. I needn&#8217;t repeat them.</p>
<p>Even if they are sent for trainning they are probably too thick-skulled to learn anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I think what really brings it home for me is the fact that of all the pundits out there (particularly the regulars), they have either never managed a football team or done so briefly and failed dismally.

The concept of intelligence amongst ex-players is a misnomer in the general sense.  I think this is best summed up by looking at Graham Le Saux.  Ostracised in the dressing room because he preferred to read a braodsheet newspaper rather than a tabloid and subsequently labelled as gay by his fellow &#039;professionals&#039; for doing so.

So being an intelligent footballer is a bit of a drawback really....................unless, of course, you want to be a tv expert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I think what really brings it home for me is the fact that of all the pundits out there (particularly the regulars), they have either never managed a football team or done so briefly and failed dismally.</p>
<p>The concept of intelligence amongst ex-players is a misnomer in the general sense.  I think this is best summed up by looking at Graham Le Saux.  Ostracised in the dressing room because he preferred to read a braodsheet newspaper rather than a tabloid and subsequently labelled as gay by his fellow &#8216;professionals&#8217; for doing so.</p>
<p>So being an intelligent footballer is a bit of a drawback really&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..unless, of course, you want to be a tv expert!</p>
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		<title>By: Goonergerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goonergerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern about media pundits is there are too many ex players- the BBC has become a rest-home for retired footballers who are unable to be objective about the game and only see the game from an ex players perspective, hence they exhude values of players-like extolling the value of winning at all costs- roughing up opponents and engaging in intimidation, grabbing what ever you can when you can, parochialism don&#039;t think beyond your own backyard, everything is short-term and who cares about the cost of anything? whether it cost 5 pounds or 50m pounds you must have it now.
Sustainability, entertainment, fair play and the aesthetic value of the style of play means less than nothing to these uneducated greed balls- but I am sure  that when it comes to attracting world wide audiences these are  massively important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern about media pundits is there are too many ex players- the BBC has become a rest-home for retired footballers who are unable to be objective about the game and only see the game from an ex players perspective, hence they exhude values of players-like extolling the value of winning at all costs- roughing up opponents and engaging in intimidation, grabbing what ever you can when you can, parochialism don&#8217;t think beyond your own backyard, everything is short-term and who cares about the cost of anything? whether it cost 5 pounds or 50m pounds you must have it now.<br />
Sustainability, entertainment, fair play and the aesthetic value of the style of play means less than nothing to these uneducated greed balls- but I am sure  that when it comes to attracting world wide audiences these are  massively important.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Gunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything you wrote.

We should also distinguish between 2 different kinds of corruptive influences in football. There&#039;s the likes of Real Madrid &amp; Manchester United, who are big clubs in their own right, who retain at the top by &quot;spending big&quot;. But then there are the likes of Real Betis, Chelsea or Man City who try to buy status and success.

I think the 2nd phenomenon is the more dangerous one, because they threaten to shake the natural order of things, and require many clubs to &quot;spend big&quot; so as not to be overtaken.

Real Madrid can spend £220M on players, but it doesn&#039;t pressure Real Oviedo. If Valladolid did the same, many clubs would react.

The problem is that football is already out of touch with economic fundamentals. Transfer prices are too high. Wages of some players make no sense.

The danger is inflationary pressures in an already inflated market.

Arsenal&#039;s success provides a strong counterpoint to the likes of Chelsea; but then then likes of Wolfsburg in Chelsea, Sevilla in Spain, Valencia in Spain, FC Twente in Holland, have recently won titles without breaking the bank.

For some reason the football media prefers to pretend it can&#039;t be done, or it&#039;s a delusion to think you can do it.

In that respect, if Arsenal do win league or European Cup, it will be a high-profile rebuttal to the nonsense that you can only buy success, or the short-termism is the only logic of football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you wrote.</p>
<p>We should also distinguish between 2 different kinds of corruptive influences in football. There&#8217;s the likes of Real Madrid &amp; Manchester United, who are big clubs in their own right, who retain at the top by &#8220;spending big&#8221;. But then there are the likes of Real Betis, Chelsea or Man City who try to buy status and success.</p>
<p>I think the 2nd phenomenon is the more dangerous one, because they threaten to shake the natural order of things, and require many clubs to &#8220;spend big&#8221; so as not to be overtaken.</p>
<p>Real Madrid can spend £220M on players, but it doesn&#8217;t pressure Real Oviedo. If Valladolid did the same, many clubs would react.</p>
<p>The problem is that football is already out of touch with economic fundamentals. Transfer prices are too high. Wages of some players make no sense.</p>
<p>The danger is inflationary pressures in an already inflated market.</p>
<p>Arsenal&#8217;s success provides a strong counterpoint to the likes of Chelsea; but then then likes of Wolfsburg in Chelsea, Sevilla in Spain, Valencia in Spain, FC Twente in Holland, have recently won titles without breaking the bank.</p>
<p>For some reason the football media prefers to pretend it can&#8217;t be done, or it&#8217;s a delusion to think you can do it.</p>
<p>In that respect, if Arsenal do win league or European Cup, it will be a high-profile rebuttal to the nonsense that you can only buy success, or the short-termism is the only logic of football.</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prashant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to believe that most fans are rational and the whole punditry / putting words in mouth etc is designed to blind them from the real issues. Its why you get emotional response to a sane comment.

Two instances stick in my mind
1. Martin O&#039;neill losing his rag when the reporter paraphrased what Arsene Wenger said. That gave a field day to lazy hacks who repeated that diatribe everywhere.
2. Tony Pulis being told that Arsene Wenger has condemned that tackle. He lost his rag then and is still moaning about it. Funnily enough, Pulis himself had admitted that it was a bad tackle a minute before that. 

Arsenal are not whitest of white, but they are such a stark contrast to everybody else.  Their footballing and business philosophy brings out the ugliness of British football to the fore and I think that makes some people very uncomfortable. 

The likes of Cascarino, Collymore and even Hansen get exposed as good for nothing cloggers. Hence, their gritted teeth reaction to every good we do and instant condemnation over lapses however small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to believe that most fans are rational and the whole punditry / putting words in mouth etc is designed to blind them from the real issues. Its why you get emotional response to a sane comment.</p>
<p>Two instances stick in my mind<br />
1. Martin O&#8217;neill losing his rag when the reporter paraphrased what Arsene Wenger said. That gave a field day to lazy hacks who repeated that diatribe everywhere.<br />
2. Tony Pulis being told that Arsene Wenger has condemned that tackle. He lost his rag then and is still moaning about it. Funnily enough, Pulis himself had admitted that it was a bad tackle a minute before that. </p>
<p>Arsenal are not whitest of white, but they are such a stark contrast to everybody else.  Their footballing and business philosophy brings out the ugliness of British football to the fore and I think that makes some people very uncomfortable. </p>
<p>The likes of Cascarino, Collymore and even Hansen get exposed as good for nothing cloggers. Hence, their gritted teeth reaction to every good we do and instant condemnation over lapses however small.</p>
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		<title>By: budock</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously its the way to go..but you have to pick the right players to develop.it&#039;s a reasonable point that the &quot;colney creche&quot; mind-set can be a weakness.,,also shay given wouldn&#039;t have cost a fortune and nor would anelka when he left bolton..they could have been of some use over the past 2 or 3 seasons???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously its the way to go..but you have to pick the right players to develop.it&#8217;s a reasonable point that the &#8220;colney creche&#8221; mind-set can be a weakness.,,also shay given wouldn&#8217;t have cost a fortune and nor would anelka when he left bolton..they could have been of some use over the past 2 or 3 seasons???</p>
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		<title>By: Darius Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BKK.

Thank you for the compliment and I&#039;m glad that you enjoy the content on Stone Cold Arsenal.  We will always strive to bring you something special and unique.  
Don&#039;t forget to spread the word.

Electrolex.

I beg to differ.  I think what you suggest is a symptom of the problem where trophies are seen as the only measure of success.  On the contrary, the teams that have spend ridiculous money in transfer fees and wages - money that they don&#039;t have and they haven&#039;t justified the investment because clearly, winning the few trophies they&#039;ve done is not good value for money.

If there&#039;s one thing that is a rarity these days is the patience to work at things.  People want success here and now, and they want it faster than you can churn out a fast food combo meal at a KFC drive through. 

What Arsenal has achieved in the last 5 years if you take into acount the constraints we&#039;ve had to operate within is nothing short of remarkable, and to suggest that all of this hasn&#039;t been successful is just short sighted.

Matt - I blame the 24 hour &#039;give me news now&#039; culture, where an editor or producers worst nightmare is filling the columns and air waves.

Inevitably, we&#039;re bound to get faecal matter served up as headline and breaking news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BKK.</p>
<p>Thank you for the compliment and I&#8217;m glad that you enjoy the content on Stone Cold Arsenal.  We will always strive to bring you something special and unique.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget to spread the word.</p>
<p>Electrolex.</p>
<p>I beg to differ.  I think what you suggest is a symptom of the problem where trophies are seen as the only measure of success.  On the contrary, the teams that have spend ridiculous money in transfer fees and wages &#8211; money that they don&#8217;t have and they haven&#8217;t justified the investment because clearly, winning the few trophies they&#8217;ve done is not good value for money.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one thing that is a rarity these days is the patience to work at things.  People want success here and now, and they want it faster than you can churn out a fast food combo meal at a KFC drive through. </p>
<p>What Arsenal has achieved in the last 5 years if you take into acount the constraints we&#8217;ve had to operate within is nothing short of remarkable, and to suggest that all of this hasn&#8217;t been successful is just short sighted.</p>
<p>Matt &#8211; I blame the 24 hour &#8216;give me news now&#8217; culture, where an editor or producers worst nightmare is filling the columns and air waves.</p>
<p>Inevitably, we&#8217;re bound to get faecal matter served up as headline and breaking news.</p>
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